
{"id":740,"date":"2018-04-16T13:56:23","date_gmt":"2018-04-16T13:56:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/zenmudra.com\/zazen-notes\/?p=740"},"modified":"2021-03-01T12:06:55","modified_gmt":"2021-03-01T20:06:55","slug":"aching-legs-buddhism-comment-on-the-dao-bums","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/zenmudra.com\/zazen-notes\/?p=740","title":{"rendered":"Aching-Legs Buddhism (comment on &#8220;The Dao Bums&#8221;)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-1342 alignright\" style=\"margin: 0px 0px 20px 20px;\" src=\"https:\/\/zenmudra.com\/zazen-notes\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/Konocti-in-clouds_DSCN4436.jpg\" alt=\"Mt. Konocti in clouds\" width=\"180\" height=\"135\" \/>On the subject of &#8220;aching-legs Buddhism&#8221;, I finally attended a five-day sesshin last fall, at Jikoji. I discovered that at least for the sesshin I attended, they were sitting mostly a 40-minute sitting followed by 30-minute sitting, throughout the day.<\/p>\n<p>At one of the teas during the sesshin, I learned that the Los Angeles Zen Center sits 35 minutes (although they open their sesshins with a 50-minute sitting). Apparently the L. A. Zen Center teaches in a combination of the styles of Rinzai, Soto, and Sanbo Kyodan.<\/p>\n<p>I offered at the tea that I understood Rinzai centers mostly sit for 25 minutes, and no one seemed to be able to confirm or deny that (I do have a friend who sits 25&#8217;s, and he says it&#8217;s the same effect by the end of the day).<\/p>\n<p>I mentioned Shohaku Okumura and the 50-minute sitting they do at Antaiji&#8211;apparently they would sit fourteen 50-minute periods a day for a five-day sesshin every month?&#8211;and I was told Shohaku now sits in a chair, on account of his knees won&#8217;t go there anymore. I did see him sitting in a chair for lecture at Berkeley, and I wondered about that.<\/p>\n<p>In the recently published &#8220;Embracing Mind&#8221;, Kobun Otogawa is quoted as saying he never had pain in the lotus (or just a trace, in his knees). In fact, he said he sat the lotus to stay out of pain.<\/p>\n<p>I once heard Kobun say, &#8220;Take your time with the lotus&#8221;. I think what he meant by that was, take whatever time you need, but learn to sit the lotus without pain.<\/p>\n<p>I was hoping to sit the whole sesshin at Jikoji in the lotus, alternating left and right, but I mostly ended up with the right leg on top (contrary to Dogen&#8217;s instructions in Fukanzazengi) and I almost never completed an entire 40 minute sitting that way. That surprised me, because I was sitting the lotus for 40 minutes at home.<\/p>\n<p>I have to confess I had Kobun&#8217;s advice in the back of my mind, and sitting on into pain didn&#8217;t seem like the way to go (my apologies to my seatmates!). I guess I&#8217;ll continue to take my time with the lotus, and wait until I can sit a little longer before I return to Jikoji.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On the subject of &#8220;aching-legs Buddhism&#8221;, I finally attended a five-day sesshin last fall, at Jikoji. I discovered that at least for the sesshin I attended, they were sitting mostly a 40-minute sitting followed by 30-minute sitting, throughout the day. At one of the teas during the sesshin, I learned that the Los Angeles Zen &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/zenmudra.com\/zazen-notes\/?p=740\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Aching-Legs Buddhism (comment on &#8220;The Dao Bums&#8221;)&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-740","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenmudra.com\/zazen-notes\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/740","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenmudra.com\/zazen-notes\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenmudra.com\/zazen-notes\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenmudra.com\/zazen-notes\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenmudra.com\/zazen-notes\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=740"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/zenmudra.com\/zazen-notes\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/740\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1344,"href":"https:\/\/zenmudra.com\/zazen-notes\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/740\/revisions\/1344"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/zenmudra.com\/zazen-notes\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=740"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenmudra.com\/zazen-notes\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=740"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/zenmudra.com\/zazen-notes\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=740"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}