
{"id":28,"date":"2010-01-29T14:03:56","date_gmt":"2010-01-29T14:03:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/zenmudra.com\/zazen-notes\/?p=28"},"modified":"2021-03-01T12:06:58","modified_gmt":"2021-03-01T20:06:58","slug":"what-i-needed-to-learn-myself-was-how-to-let-it-all-fall-together-from-tao-bums","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/zenmudra.com\/zazen-notes\/?p=28","title":{"rendered":"what I needed to learn myself was how to let it all fall together (from Tao Bums)"},"content":{"rendered":"\r\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I have learned to be very cautious when anyone says to do something, and especially with regard to the breathing. My preference is instruction that describes reality and emphasizes self-surrender, not because an intentional approach is wrong (can\u2019t get away from it, really), but just because what I needed to learn myself was how to let it all fall together. Relearn the way I hold myself upright, the way I set mindfulness in front, from the inside out.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I never was any good at intuitive mathmatics in school, only at strict axiomatic proof (which I realize has its limitations); I couldn\u2019t find anybody who could actually teach me how to sit the lotus, although they were clearly masters themselves. Sigh. So I prefer an explanation of the essential relationships, in the terms I can experience, to allow nature to work its magic.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/98\">is enlightenment obtained with the body, or the mind- part 2 (from Tao Bums) (Jan 29 2010)<\/a><\/h3>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Here are some lines from the Stanford project, translating Dogen\u2019s words, and here Dogen continues the story about polishing a tile:<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\r\n<p>Daji said, \u201cHow can you produce a mirror by polishing a tile?\u201d<br \/>Nanyue replied, \u201cHow can you make a buddha by sitting in meditation (zazen)?\u201d<br \/>Daji asked, \u201cThen, what is right?\u201d<br \/>Nanyue replied, \u201cWhen someone is driving a cart, if the cart doesn t go, should he beat the cart or beat the ox?\u201d<br \/>Daji had no response.<br \/>Nanyue went on, \u201cAre you studying seated meditation or are you studying seated buddha?\u201d<br \/>\u201cIf you re studying seated meditation, meditation is not sitting or reclining.\u201d<br \/>\u201cIf you re studying seated buddha, buddha is no fixed mark.\u201d<br \/>\u201cIf you re studying seated buddha, this is killing buddha.\u201d<br \/>\u201cIf you grasp the mark of sitting, you re not reaching its principle.\u201d<a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/98\">read more<\/a><\/p>\r\n<\/blockquote>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">POSTED ON<a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/96\">NOVEMBER 6, 2019<\/a><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/96\">is enlightenment obtained with the body, or the mind (from Tao Bums) (Jan 29 2010)<\/a><\/h3>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">well, here\u2019s a quote from Dogen, just to stir things up:<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\r\n<p>When we let go of our minds and cast aside our views and understandings the Way will be actualized. One sage clarified True Mind (Reality) when he saw peach blossoms and another realized the Way when he heard the sound of tile hitting a bamboo. They attained the way through their bodies. Therefore, when we completely cast aside our thoughts and views and practice shikantaza, we will become intimate with the way. This is why I encourage you to practice zazen wholeheartedly.<a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/96\">read more<\/a><\/p>\r\n<\/blockquote>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">POSTED ON<a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/91\">NOVEMBER 6, 2019<\/a><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/91\">How important is it to have one\u2019s back completely (as much as possible) straight during meditation? How important are these postures anyway? (from Tao Bums) (Jan 24 2010)<\/a><\/h3>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I had some excellent experience on jury duty, sitting in a chair. Two things are important to me, sitting in a chair: sit on the edge of the chair, as I believe you describe (a chair with four legs solid on the floor); then, one foot flat on the floor with the knee at about a 90 degree angle, and the ball of the other foot resting on the floor under your tailbone, approximately. I sit this way all day at the computer, and have done so for the last twenty years.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">My back is not straight, especially the lower back, for the most part. Workman\u2019s comp came out to review it at one place I worked (management requested it, they were nervous), and they said fine. I can find absorption in this posture, which to me is like talking to the one who made this shell and letting it take me wherever. So to speak.<a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/91\">read more<\/a>POSTED ON<a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/84\">NOVEMBER 5, 2019<\/a><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/84\">can someone recommend some stretching program to get closer to full lotus? (from Tao Bums) (Jan 21 2010)<\/a><\/h3>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I thought my experience would translate into progress at the lotus, but after a lot of years, I decided I would have to figure it out, instead.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">So here\u2019s the story: as Carl Bielefeldt translated a master\u2019s words in the first edition of Dogen\u2019s Meditation Manuals, \u201cseated meditation is not holding still\u201d. The fascia and ligaments of the body can generate muscular activity, involuntarily, if they are stretched sufficiently. Since the muscles and fascia are basically in pairs, the action of posture is fundamentally the reciprocal innervation of muscular tissue as the stretch of fascia alternates from side to side.<a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/84\">read more<\/a>POSTED ON<a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/73\">NOVEMBER 5, 2019<\/a><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/73\">straighten the clothes and sit precariously (Dec 30 2009)<\/a><\/h3>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Tai-Chi teacher Cheng Man-Ching mentioned an ancient Chinese description of meditation in one of his books: straighten the clothes and sit precariously.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When I sit, I remind myself that the two respirations (pulmonary and cranial-sacral) utilize the occurrence of consciousness to coordinate the activity of posture, and that relaxation and calm can allow the sense of location in the occurrence of consciousness to open nerve-connections to the surface of the body.<a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/73\">read more<\/a>POSTED ON<a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/65\">NOVEMBER 5, 2019<\/a><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/65\">\u2026about full lotus (Dec 3 2009)<\/a><\/h3>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">(Response to the thread \u201cWhat is so special about full lotus?\u201d posted by effilang, in the Discussion Forum on Tao Bums)<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This morning a second question has occurred to me, and that is: why do they sit 40-50 minutes in the lotus, when most hatha yoga postures are only assumed briefly?<a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/65\">read more<\/a>POSTED ON<a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/60\">NOVEMBER 5, 2019<\/a><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/60\">\u2026about full lotus (Nov 29 2009)<\/a><\/h3>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">(Response to the thread \u201cWhat is so special about full lotus?\u201d posted by effilang, in the Discussion Forum on Tao Bums)<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Hi, effilang (hey, bums),<a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/60\">read more<\/a>POSTED ON<a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/1\">JUNE 27, 2016<\/a><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><a href=\"http:\/\/zenmudra.com\/wordpress\/1\">The Mudra of Zen<\/a><\/h3>\r\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I have learned to be very cautious when anyone says to do something, and especially with regard to the breathing. 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